On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 6:54 PM Alex Bennée via Stratos-dev < stratos-dev@op-lists.linaro.org> wrote:
AKASHI Takahiro via Stratos-dev stratos-dev@op-lists.linaro.org writes:
Hi All,
# Some of you might have received a similar message, the purpose # is the same, but for wider audience.
I have been thinking of some idea of creating hypervisor-agnostic framework which will enable us to implement virtio device (backend) VMs on whatever the underlying hypervisor is. The aim is to create VMs as bare-metal applications using a small number of "common" vm services. I name this framework "virtio proxy"[1]. (You can think it as my solution proposal against the topic which Alex raised a concern on yesterday.)
Now it is the time that we have to decide whether this approach can appeal to you and meet your requirements, and so if it is worth my continuing this study in the *next development cycle* which will start in September (or October).
- Please give me your insights/feedback against my proposal.
If we see no positive feedback or interest in the next two weeks or so, especially, from member company engineers, this study will be automatically *cancelled*.
- If there is any interest seen, I will like to set up a dedicated
Stratos call meeting in two weeks timeframe to discuss more. What is the best time slot for you? As I live in Japan, UTC-6, 7, or 8 (or even earlier) would be the best, but I would like to hear from member company engineers in West coast of USA, the timeslot is quite flexible.
Here is my draft proposal: [1]
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1jAOKbQpv44Rje74OI4pNKXlsCfRCQf547lHT...
I think it would be useful to discuss this at the next Stratos meeting at the beginning of September as we discuss the ways forward for the next cycle of development.
More broadly now we have a bunch of backends implemented it's time to start considering the various approaches to hypervisor agnosticism.
Mike,
Can we shift the Sept meeting to a morning slot to better align with JST?
Absouiltly - there is no good time for this: https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?iso=20210902&p1=...
Akashi-san, can you pick a time that works for you and the people you know you want to have on the call, perhaps that makes it a little easier, and perhaps those interested can chime in with their time zone or City,
Some guesses lead to every time zone :/ Ahakshi-San Tokyo San Diego - Qualcomm London - Alex, Mike Calgary - Mathieu Stefano - not sure Vincent - Paris
So
Thanks, -Takahiro Akashi
-- Alex Bennée -- Stratos-dev mailing list Stratos-dev@op-lists.linaro.org https://op-lists.linaro.org/mailman/listinfo/stratos-dev
Mike,
On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 09:56:41AM +0100, Mike Holmes wrote:
On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 6:54 PM Alex Bennée via Stratos-dev < stratos-dev@op-lists.linaro.org> wrote:
AKASHI Takahiro via Stratos-dev stratos-dev@op-lists.linaro.org writes:
Hi All,
# Some of you might have received a similar message, the purpose # is the same, but for wider audience.
I have been thinking of some idea of creating hypervisor-agnostic framework which will enable us to implement virtio device (backend) VMs on whatever the underlying hypervisor is. The aim is to create VMs as bare-metal applications using a small number of "common" vm services. I name this framework "virtio proxy"[1]. (You can think it as my solution proposal against the topic which Alex raised a concern on yesterday.)
Now it is the time that we have to decide whether this approach can appeal to you and meet your requirements, and so if it is worth my continuing this study in the *next development cycle* which will start in September (or October).
- Please give me your insights/feedback against my proposal.
If we see no positive feedback or interest in the next two weeks or so, especially, from member company engineers, this study will be automatically *cancelled*.
- If there is any interest seen, I will like to set up a dedicated
Stratos call meeting in two weeks timeframe to discuss more. What is the best time slot for you? As I live in Japan, UTC-6, 7, or 8 (or even earlier) would be the best, but I would like to hear from member company engineers in West coast of USA, the timeslot is quite flexible.
Here is my draft proposal: [1]
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1jAOKbQpv44Rje74OI4pNKXlsCfRCQf547lHT...
I think it would be useful to discuss this at the next Stratos meeting at the beginning of September as we discuss the ways forward for the next cycle of development.
More broadly now we have a bunch of backends implemented it's time to start considering the various approaches to hypervisor agnosticism.
Mike,
Can we shift the Sept meeting to a morning slot to better align with JST?
Absouiltly - there is no good time for this: https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?iso=20210902&p1=...
As we discussed in our chat, the fist priority/assumption is to confirm that member companies are interested in *my approach* in the proposal (not hypervisor-agnosticism as a general topic). So far I haven't seen any feedback from anybody on ML.
-Takahiro Akashi
Akashi-san, can you pick a time that works for you and the people you know you want to have on the call, perhaps that makes it a little easier, and perhaps those interested can chime in with their time zone or City,
Some guesses lead to every time zone :/ Ahakshi-San Tokyo San Diego - Qualcomm London - Alex, Mike Calgary - Mathieu Stefano - not sure Vincent - Paris
So
Thanks, -Takahiro Akashi
-- Alex Bennée -- Stratos-dev mailing list Stratos-dev@op-lists.linaro.org https://op-lists.linaro.org/mailman/listinfo/stratos-dev
-- Mike Holmes (he / him / his) | Director, Performance & Enablement, Linaro Mike.Holmes@linaro.org mike.holmes@linaro.org "Work should be fun and collaborative; the rest follows."
On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 3:01 AM AKASHI Takahiro takahiro.akashi@linaro.org wrote:
Mike,
On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 09:56:41AM +0100, Mike Holmes wrote:
On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 6:54 PM Alex Bennée via Stratos-dev < stratos-dev@op-lists.linaro.org> wrote:
AKASHI Takahiro via Stratos-dev stratos-dev@op-lists.linaro.org
writes:
Hi All,
# Some of you might have received a similar message, the purpose # is the same, but for wider audience.
I have been thinking of some idea of creating hypervisor-agnostic framework which will enable us to implement virtio device (backend) VMs on whatever the underlying hypervisor is. The aim is to create VMs as bare-metal applications using a small number of "common" vm services. I name this framework "virtio proxy"[1]. (You can think it as my solution proposal against the topic which Alex raised a concern on yesterday.)
Now it is the time that we have to decide whether this approach can appeal to you and meet your requirements, and so if it is worth my continuing this study in the *next development cycle* which will start in September (or October).
- Please give me your insights/feedback against my proposal.
If we see no positive feedback or interest in the next two weeks
or so,
especially, from member company engineers, this study will be automatically *cancelled*.
- If there is any interest seen, I will like to set up a dedicated
Stratos call meeting in two weeks timeframe to discuss more. What is the best time slot for you? As I live in Japan, UTC-6, 7, or 8 (or even earlier) would be the
best,
but I would like to hear from member company engineers in West
coast of
USA, the timeslot is quite flexible.
Here is my draft proposal: [1]
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1jAOKbQpv44Rje74OI4pNKXlsCfRCQf547lHT...
I think it would be useful to discuss this at the next Stratos meeting at the beginning of September as we discuss the ways forward for the next cycle of development.
More broadly now we have a bunch of backends implemented it's time to start considering the various approaches to hypervisor agnosticism.
Mike,
Can we shift the Sept meeting to a morning slot to better align with JST?
Absouiltly - there is no good time for this:
https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?iso=20210902&p1=...
As we discussed in our chat, the fist priority/assumption is to confirm that member companies are interested in *my approach* in the proposal (not hypervisor-agnosticism as a general topic). So far I haven't seen any feedback from anybody on ML.
If this audience is not motivated then I suspect this is not an approach that is relevant at this time and we should look at alternate problems in the next cycle until things become clearer CCing Azzedine and Trilok directly as the most likely member with an opinion.
-Takahiro Akashi
Akashi-san, can you pick a time that works for you and the people you
know
you want to have on the call, perhaps that makes it a little easier, and perhaps those interested can chime in with their time zone or City,
Some guesses lead to every time zone :/ Ahakshi-San Tokyo San Diego - Qualcomm London - Alex, Mike Calgary - Mathieu Stefano - not sure Vincent - Paris
So
Thanks, -Takahiro Akashi
-- Alex Bennée -- Stratos-dev mailing list Stratos-dev@op-lists.linaro.org https://op-lists.linaro.org/mailman/listinfo/stratos-dev
-- Mike Holmes (he / him / his) | Director, Performance & Enablement, Linaro Mike.Holmes@linaro.org mike.holmes@linaro.org "Work should be fun and collaborative; the rest follows."
Gentle ping.
On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 08:48:28AM +0100, Mike Holmes wrote:
On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 3:01 AM AKASHI Takahiro takahiro.akashi@linaro.org wrote:
Mike,
On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 09:56:41AM +0100, Mike Holmes wrote:
On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 6:54 PM Alex Bennée via Stratos-dev < stratos-dev@op-lists.linaro.org> wrote:
AKASHI Takahiro via Stratos-dev stratos-dev@op-lists.linaro.org
writes:
Hi All,
# Some of you might have received a similar message, the purpose # is the same, but for wider audience.
I have been thinking of some idea of creating hypervisor-agnostic framework which will enable us to implement virtio device (backend) VMs on whatever the underlying hypervisor is. The aim is to create VMs as bare-metal applications using a small number of "common" vm services. I name this framework "virtio proxy"[1]. (You can think it as my solution proposal against the topic which Alex raised a concern on yesterday.)
Now it is the time that we have to decide whether this approach can appeal to you and meet your requirements, and so if it is worth my continuing this study in the *next development cycle* which will start in September (or October).
- Please give me your insights/feedback against my proposal.
If we see no positive feedback or interest in the next two weeks
or so,
especially, from member company engineers, this study will be automatically *cancelled*.
- If there is any interest seen, I will like to set up a dedicated
Stratos call meeting in two weeks timeframe to discuss more. What is the best time slot for you? As I live in Japan, UTC-6, 7, or 8 (or even earlier) would be the
best,
but I would like to hear from member company engineers in West
coast of
USA, the timeslot is quite flexible.
Here is my draft proposal: [1]
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1jAOKbQpv44Rje74OI4pNKXlsCfRCQf547lHT...
I think it would be useful to discuss this at the next Stratos meeting at the beginning of September as we discuss the ways forward for the next cycle of development.
More broadly now we have a bunch of backends implemented it's time to start considering the various approaches to hypervisor agnosticism.
Mike,
Can we shift the Sept meeting to a morning slot to better align with JST?
Absouiltly - there is no good time for this:
https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?iso=20210902&p1=...
As we discussed in our chat, the fist priority/assumption is to confirm that member companies are interested in *my approach* in the proposal (not hypervisor-agnosticism as a general topic). So far I haven't seen any feedback from anybody on ML.
If this audience is not motivated then I suspect this is not an approach that is relevant at this time and we should look at alternate problems in the next cycle until things become clearer CCing Azzedine and Trilok directly as the most likely member with an opinion.
I will appreciate you if you share your thoughts on my proposal.
-Takahiro Akashi
-Takahiro Akashi
Akashi-san, can you pick a time that works for you and the people you
know
you want to have on the call, perhaps that makes it a little easier, and perhaps those interested can chime in with their time zone or City,
Some guesses lead to every time zone :/ Ahakshi-San Tokyo San Diego - Qualcomm London - Alex, Mike Calgary - Mathieu Stefano - not sure Vincent - Paris
So
Thanks, -Takahiro Akashi
-- Alex Bennée -- Stratos-dev mailing list Stratos-dev@op-lists.linaro.org https://op-lists.linaro.org/mailman/listinfo/stratos-dev
-- Mike Holmes (he / him / his) | Director, Performance & Enablement, Linaro Mike.Holmes@linaro.org mike.holmes@linaro.org "Work should be fun and collaborative; the rest follows."
-- Mike Holmes (he / him / his) | Director, Performance & Enablement, Linaro Mike.Holmes@linaro.org mike.holmes@linaro.org "Work should be fun and collaborative; the rest follows."
Mike,
On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 08:48:28AM +0100, Mike Holmes wrote:
On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 3:01 AM AKASHI Takahiro takahiro.akashi@linaro.org wrote:
Mike,
On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 09:56:41AM +0100, Mike Holmes wrote:
On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 6:54 PM Alex Bennée via Stratos-dev < stratos-dev@op-lists.linaro.org> wrote:
AKASHI Takahiro via Stratos-dev stratos-dev@op-lists.linaro.org
writes:
Hi All,
# Some of you might have received a similar message, the purpose # is the same, but for wider audience.
I have been thinking of some idea of creating hypervisor-agnostic framework which will enable us to implement virtio device (backend) VMs on whatever the underlying hypervisor is. The aim is to create VMs as bare-metal applications using a small number of "common" vm services. I name this framework "virtio proxy"[1]. (You can think it as my solution proposal against the topic which Alex raised a concern on yesterday.)
Now it is the time that we have to decide whether this approach can appeal to you and meet your requirements, and so if it is worth my continuing this study in the *next development cycle* which will start in September (or October).
- Please give me your insights/feedback against my proposal.
If we see no positive feedback or interest in the next two weeks
or so,
especially, from member company engineers, this study will be automatically *cancelled*.
- If there is any interest seen, I will like to set up a dedicated
Stratos call meeting in two weeks timeframe to discuss more. What is the best time slot for you? As I live in Japan, UTC-6, 7, or 8 (or even earlier) would be the
best,
but I would like to hear from member company engineers in West
coast of
USA, the timeslot is quite flexible.
Here is my draft proposal: [1]
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1jAOKbQpv44Rje74OI4pNKXlsCfRCQf547lHT...
I think it would be useful to discuss this at the next Stratos meeting at the beginning of September as we discuss the ways forward for the next cycle of development.
More broadly now we have a bunch of backends implemented it's time to start considering the various approaches to hypervisor agnosticism.
Mike,
Can we shift the Sept meeting to a morning slot to better align with JST?
Absouiltly - there is no good time for this:
https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?iso=20210902&p1=...
As we discussed in our chat, the fist priority/assumption is to confirm that member companies are interested in *my approach* in the proposal (not hypervisor-agnosticism as a general topic). So far I haven't seen any feedback from anybody on ML.
If this audience is not motivated then I suspect this is not an approach that is relevant at this time and we should look at alternate problems in the next cycle until things become clearer CCing Azzedine and Trilok directly as the most likely member with an opinion.
Three weeks have passed since I posted my proposal of "virtio-proxy", and I haven't seen any comments, neither positive nor negative, from Linaro member companies. Do you think it's time for us to decide? It's up to you.
-Takahiro Akashi
-Takahiro Akashi
Akashi-san, can you pick a time that works for you and the people you
know
you want to have on the call, perhaps that makes it a little easier, and perhaps those interested can chime in with their time zone or City,
Some guesses lead to every time zone :/ Ahakshi-San Tokyo San Diego - Qualcomm London - Alex, Mike Calgary - Mathieu Stefano - not sure Vincent - Paris
So
Thanks, -Takahiro Akashi
-- Alex Bennée -- Stratos-dev mailing list Stratos-dev@op-lists.linaro.org https://op-lists.linaro.org/mailman/listinfo/stratos-dev
-- Mike Holmes (he / him / his) | Director, Performance & Enablement, Linaro Mike.Holmes@linaro.org mike.holmes@linaro.org "Work should be fun and collaborative; the rest follows."
-- Mike Holmes (he / him / his) | Director, Performance & Enablement, Linaro Mike.Holmes@linaro.org mike.holmes@linaro.org "Work should be fun and collaborative; the rest follows."
I think when Alex is back next week we start to form the next cycle plan, I know that Qualcomm is generating an opinion that I'd like to include in that first draft.
On Wed, Aug 25, 2021 at 6:20 AM AKASHI Takahiro takahiro.akashi@linaro.org wrote:
Mike,
On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 08:48:28AM +0100, Mike Holmes wrote:
On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 3:01 AM AKASHI Takahiro <
takahiro.akashi@linaro.org>
wrote:
Mike,
On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 09:56:41AM +0100, Mike Holmes wrote:
On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 6:54 PM Alex Bennée via Stratos-dev < stratos-dev@op-lists.linaro.org> wrote:
AKASHI Takahiro via Stratos-dev stratos-dev@op-lists.linaro.org
writes:
Hi All,
# Some of you might have received a similar message, the purpose # is the same, but for wider audience.
I have been thinking of some idea of creating hypervisor-agnostic framework which will enable us to implement virtio device
(backend)
VMs on whatever the underlying hypervisor is. The aim is to create VMs as bare-metal applications using a small number of "common" vm services. I name this framework "virtio proxy"[1]. (You can think it as my solution proposal against the topic which Alex raised a concern on yesterday.)
Now it is the time that we have to decide whether this approach can appeal to you and meet your requirements, and so if it is
worth
my continuing this study in the *next development cycle* which
will
start in September (or October).
- Please give me your insights/feedback against my proposal.
If we see no positive feedback or interest in the next two
weeks
or so,
especially, from member company engineers, this study will be automatically *cancelled*.
- If there is any interest seen, I will like to set up a
dedicated
Stratos call meeting in two weeks timeframe to discuss more. What is the best time slot for you? As I live in Japan, UTC-6, 7, or 8 (or even earlier) would be
the
best,
but I would like to hear from member company engineers in West
coast of
USA, the timeslot is quite flexible.
Here is my draft proposal: [1]
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1jAOKbQpv44Rje74OI4pNKXlsCfRCQf547lHT...
I think it would be useful to discuss this at the next Stratos
meeting
at the beginning of September as we discuss the ways forward for
the
next cycle of development.
More broadly now we have a bunch of backends implemented it's time
to
start considering the various approaches to hypervisor agnosticism.
Mike,
Can we shift the Sept meeting to a morning slot to better align
with
JST?
Absouiltly - there is no good time for this:
https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?iso=20210902&p1=...
As we discussed in our chat, the fist priority/assumption is to confirm that member companies are interested in *my approach* in the proposal (not hypervisor-agnosticism as a general topic). So far I haven't seen any feedback from anybody on ML.
If this audience is not motivated then I suspect this is not an approach that is relevant at this time and we should look at alternate problems in the next cycle until things become clearer CCing Azzedine and Trilok directly as the most likely member with an opinion.
Three weeks have passed since I posted my proposal of "virtio-proxy", and I haven't seen any comments, neither positive nor negative, from Linaro member companies. Do you think it's time for us to decide? It's up to you.
-Takahiro Akashi
-Takahiro Akashi
Akashi-san, can you pick a time that works for you and the people you
know
you want to have on the call, perhaps that makes it a little easier,
and
perhaps those interested can chime in with their time zone or City,
Some guesses lead to every time zone :/ Ahakshi-San Tokyo San Diego - Qualcomm London - Alex, Mike Calgary - Mathieu Stefano - not sure Vincent - Paris
So
Thanks, -Takahiro Akashi
-- Alex Bennée -- Stratos-dev mailing list Stratos-dev@op-lists.linaro.org https://op-lists.linaro.org/mailman/listinfo/stratos-dev
-- Mike Holmes (he / him / his) | Director, Performance & Enablement,
Linaro
Mike.Holmes@linaro.org mike.holmes@linaro.org "Work should be fun and collaborative; the rest follows."
-- Mike Holmes (he / him / his) | Director, Performance & Enablement, Linaro Mike.Holmes@linaro.org mike.holmes@linaro.org "Work should be fun and collaborative; the rest follows."
stratos-dev@op-lists.linaro.org
-
AKASHI Takahiro -
Mike Holmes